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LEAP 15 Installed Leap 15. After massive update I had Tumbleweed

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I just loaded Leap 15 and very quickly and easily installed a few programs. Then suddenly, a notification tells me I have 2247 updates to download. After a reboot, I suddenly have Tumbleweed! In the repositories list, there is a list of all the Leap 15 repositories, then at the bottom, one for openSUSE:Factory http://download.opensuse.org/tumbleweed/repo/oss/

I saw nothing that indicated I could upgrade to Tumbleweed, I didn't know that was even possible without wiping Leap, but here it is. The disk I downloaded is openSUSE-Leap-15.0-DVD-x86_64 and that's what I got initially, but this is what is running now:

:~> cat /usr/lib/os-release
NAME="openSUSE Tumbleweed"
# VERSION="20181110"
ID="opensuse-tumbleweed"
ID_LIKE="opensuse suse"
VERSION_ID="20181110"
PRETTY_NAME="openSUSE Tumbleweed"
ANSI_COLOR="0;32"
CPE_NAME="cpe:/o:opensuse:tumbleweed:20181110"
BUG_REPORT_URL="https://bugs.opensuse.org"
HOME_URL="https://www.opensuse.org/"


TUMBLEWEED haveged

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Just did the zypper dup for tumbleweed 20181110 and made a check with zypper ps -s after a reboot and came up with this.

How can you restart a deleted processes? Should haveged be reinstalled?



Code:

zypper ps -s
The following running processes use deleted files:

PID | PPID | UID | User | Command          | Service
----+------+-----+------+-------------------+--------
387 | 1    | 0  | root | haveged (deleted) | haveged

You may wish to restart these processes.

LEAP 42.3 reboot-required ..... testing if it is neccesary a reboot from a script

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I'm writing a script to update the system during Saturday night and reboot if necessary.
In ubuntu there is a file named /var/run/reboot-required when reboot is necessary. Is there something similar in OpenSuse?

regards

The dangers of using btrfs and snapper

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openSUSE is my favorite Linux distribution because it's modern, user friendly, and has a lot of good ideas in comparison to other distros. This is probably the first time I have to openly criticize a decision taken by the team, which I now believe puts users at risk without many even knowing it and should be urgently reviewed. I'd like to start with a bit of background on what exactly happened so people can understand my point and the reasons behind it.

A few days ago I bought my first SSD, on which I did a clean reinstall of openSUSE for the first time in 6 years. Previously I had the OS on my old mechanical drive on an ext4 partition which has always worked perfectly. Since I was doing a fresh install, I figured I'd use a modern setup and go with the partitioning scheme suggested by the installer... namely using btrfs as my filesystem and enabling shapshots (at the time I didn't even know what those did but left the option defaulted to on). I then proceeded with the installation and everything seemed like it worked perfectly. Little did I know I had a hell waiting to unleash inside my computer pretty soon.

Within the following hours I suddenly found that my machine started freezing. I could tell it was not a GPU lockup but something slowing it down so much, even the NumLock / CapsLock leds couldn't be toggled for minutes at a time (only the mouse cursor could be moved). I didn't understand what's happening at all and thought my new drive must be having hardware issues. Then I managed to go into another runlevel and run "top" to see what was eating my system resources. I found a few processes to be responsible, namely btrfs-cleaner / btrfs-transacti / snapperd. The next scary part was discovering that they couldn't be killed and were forced onto my system ("kill -9 PID" was ineffective), thus I had to wait for over an hour before it stopped on its own. I also saw contradictory information: Top showed it was using 100% CPU but KSysGuard said it was only using 8%. I expressed concern about this in another thread and was told that's usually a one-time event and should cease once the first "zypper dup" is cached by snapper.

That seemed to be the case as an entire day went without any problems. Then all of a sudden it started happening again last night, despite me not even making any new system changes to prompt it: Snapper and associated btrfs processes froze my system to the point where I had to wait 5 minutes to even open a small program, every click caused the machine to freeze completely for an entire minute. I tried watching a Youtube video hoping it would pass, which was itself difficult as the playback froze and sometimes websites stopped rendering entirely... 4 hours went by and it didn't finish. When I looked in YaST - Snapper I saw it created a dozen snapshots in a matter of minutes, however all of them were empty and showed no changes even after they were marked as "pre & post".

Eventually I decided to restart my computer. I issued the reboot command and waited for several minutes. When I saw that there's still no response and I was now stuck in the shutdown splash screen, I pressed the reset button to fasten the process. Big mistake: That act alone corrupted my openSUSE installation and rendered it unusable. I was never able to boot it again from this point on: I remained stuck at the splash screen (without me even being able to switch to a different runlevel and input commands (control + alt + fN)) with the console throwing countless "dependency failed" messages for root directories plus drive timeout errors. This a photo I took with my phone showing the errors the boot process got stuck at each time:



I went to bed at 8 AM trying to fix it but to no avail. I could only boot a rescue console from the installation DVD, and although I was able to mount the root partition I couldn't mount its subvolumes thus directories like /var were inaccessible.

Today I had to do another fresh install of openSUSE. This time I selected ext4 for my partition like before and made sure snapshots were never enabled again. I finished configuring it earlier and my OS now works quickly and flawlessly as it always has. The experience I went through was stressful to say the least as it all happened rapidly and came as a complete surprise. With this I'm hoping to offer my point to the developers and other users alike;

Users: Do NOT use btrfs and do NOT enable snapshots, unless you absolutely require them and know very well what you're doing. This will make your life a hell and cause your installation to be destroyed eventually! I suggest sticking to ext4: I can confirm from years of experience that it's trustworthy and reliable. Or other classic file systems that have been in development since the old days of Linux (I hear xfs and zfs are also good however I never used those).

Admins: If the team cares for the well being of users, please consider updating the installer so that it stops suggesting btrfs and system snapshots. Default back to ext4 and make snapshots an option for advanced users only. As I could confirm from my experience, snapper and btrfs are far too unstable and risky: A hard restart or a power outage at the wrong time (eg: while snapper is working) will cause the installation to break as it did for me. Snapper will also render the system unusable to the point of freezing it for minutes at a time, the machine may be inoperable for hours whenever it randomly decides to start working in the background (note that I have an SSD for root which is the fastest type of drive). I get the idea behind this tool which itself is pretty good, but right now both btrfs and snapper are too unstable to use and themselves pose a huge liability. I'd rather this doesn't happen to more users before we can all agree something is wrong and a lot more work needs to be done on those tools before they are safe.

LEAP 15 SATA harddisk spins up and down - disable HDD rest / sleep

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Introduction
Yesterday (11. November 2018) I installed openSUSE Leap 15.0 with the KDE desktop. It is the 2nd time I had installed and are used a SUSE system, first time was since the paid-for SUSE Linux 7.2.

So far, so good, and it works great, apart from the fact that I am a total rookie / newbie user of the KDE desktop.

The Problem
My problem is that the (mechanical) hard disk is spinning up and down continuously - with a only a few second apart.

That courses a response delay (lag) of about 3 seconds when I do just about anything, for example switching between Firefox windows.

It would be okay with a spin down after 15 minutes, because if I had done nothing within 15 minutes I am doing something else for hours.
I am used to that there is no spin down at all (default configuration on Xubuntu) so that is what I would prefer. The extra energy usage is not a problem.

... and BTW :
Code:

hdaparm -S0
... doesn't work (0 is the number zero). I do know that the -s (lower case 's') option is dangerous (according to its man page), so that option had not been used

Is hdparm only usable on IDE hard disk?

Hardware
The CPU cooler sounds like it could break down at any moment if it (the CPU cooler) is spinning horizontally, so right now it is spinning vertically. That means that the HDD is spinning in a vertical position
The fact that the HDD is spinning vertically and spins down and up continuously can't be healthy in the long run.

My computer has 16 GB physical RAM, of which the kernel has no idea of how it could use (right now) about 12 GB physical RAM, buffer/cache is using about 2 GB. CPU is a AMD FX8350 8-cores@4 GHz. Swap is always unused (expect when a program has a serious memory leak).

About me

When you are writing a response to me, this is useful information

I had began using Linux from November 1998 (RedHat Linux with GNOME 1) until Febuary 2006 due to i began studying. I began using a Linux distro (Xubuntu) from Juli 2009 to yesterday.

I am used to use the (bash) shell, and I do some programming - incl (Linux) kernel modules - now and then.



Sorry for my bad English. English is not my native language, so it is at times a bit difficult.

/Lars

LEAP 15 Monitors won't sleep. DPMS reset to 0 every minute

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Running Gnome.

This is an aggravating issue. Just upgraded from 42.3 to 15.0. Everything is working except for power management. My monitors simply won't go to sleep. I have Settings->Power->Blank Screen set to 5 minutes, and the monitors aren't blanking. I run xset -q, and it shows:

Quote:

DPMS (Energy Star):
Standby: 0 Suspend: 0 Off: 0
DPMS is Enabled
Monitor is On
So I run xset dpms 300 600, and they never go into sleep mode. I check xset -q again, and they are reset to 0. As a test, I ran xset dpms 10 20. The monitor goes to sleep as expected after 10 seconds. However, after about a minute, xset shows DPMS set back to 0 0.

I have no idea what process keep resetting these. Where should I look?

TUMBLEWEED .profile in "daemon" suse linux

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Hi Experts,

Good day to you!


During system reboot application do not work because the application does not know about ORACLE_HOME environment setting. Where ORACLE_HOME environment setting is declared in .profile.


Please help to how call ..profile during the start of services as the daemon.


Regards,
Jesse Kanth

TUMBLEWEED tkdiff works on and off from time to time due to get_gtk_params

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"tkdiff" has been the most useful text file comparison application software.
However, from time to time, the application works or fails to work.
The error message I am getting everytime when it does not work is as follows:

==========================
No protocol specified
Error in startup script: No protocol specified
while executing
"close $pipe"
(procedure "get_gtk_params" line 36)
invoked from within
"get_gtk_params"
(procedure "main" line 27)
invoked from within
"main"
(file "/usr/bin/tkdiff" line 13060)
============================

What is going on with get_gtk_params?

Thanks in advance.

LEAP 15 Live bootable image shows error & drops into boot prompt

LEAP 15 LEAP 15.0 Wireless issue

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Hi All,

Fresh install of Leap 15.0 on an old Dell Studio XPS 1340. It has a Broadcom BCM4312 802.11b/g LP-PHY.

Wireless is not working no matter what I try. Below options are what I've tried:

1. Installed the drivers as per the first Sticky note.
2. Installed Packman repos and installed broadcom driver from there.
3. Updated the system.
4. In Yast -> Hardware Information -> Network Card -> Wireless 1397 WLAN Mini-Card -> Drivers ->Active:Yes


It's an old laptop and I used to use Opensuse before.

Out of ideas to make the wireless work. Wired ethernet works.

Any help will be appreciated.

Thanks,
Prad

LEAP 15 How to block incoming ping ?

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I connect to the Internet directly without a router.

How to block incoming ping ? but still allow outgoing ping ?

missing KDE in desktop setting

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I just upgraded opensuse from 13.2 to 15. I noticed some good improvements in there in terms of speed. The old suse was set for KDE desktop. However upgrade made new suse gnome by default. Although pattern KDE is set on and window manager is set to KDE, I still do not have KDE windows like desktop. system information says that it is gnome setting. My current setting is that I have a bar on top with activities switch on top left and power switch on top right. Date is located on top center. I do not know if this is new KDE? How do I switch to old window style setting. Is this a bug?

TUMBLEWEED icons screwed up in yast Software Management

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I'm running latest Tumbleweed and after the last update the icons in Yast's Software Management are almost invisible, they are there but it looks like only the outline is visible. Its darn near impossible to tell what is selected and what isn't. Is there any way to fix this? I have played with icon themes but it makes no visible difference.

LEAP 42.3 Kmail filters and duplicated emails

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I'm trying to track down an obscure problem which (when it happens) frequently results in two copies of an email, one of which may be permanently marked "unread" and impossible to delete. The solution is to rename the folder, create a new version, copy everything else to the new folder and delete the original.

A question, please: When an email is copied to another folder is it physically copied as received? Or is the existence of the copy managed by creating a new entry in some sort of database (or modifying an entry if the email is moved rather than copied)?

One of my filters pipes the incoming email to a BASH script to remove flowed-format line wraps if Content-Type includes "format=flowed". This is just a single sed command followed by exit, and the "stop if filter matches" option is not checked. Am I correct in believing the script is run synchronously and control returns to the filter processor on exit?

DL

TUMBLEWEED Julia PyPlot objects are not being displayed

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Hi,

I've been experimenting with the Julia programming language and I tried following this example exercise of theirs: http://nbviewer.jupyter.org/github/J...ttractor.ipynb. Now, I should be clear in saying, I didn't use the notebook interface, rather I copy-pasted this into a Julia script named Lorenz.jl and executed it in Julia by launching Julia and running:

Code:

include("Lorenz.jl")
, after a little wait this returned:

Code:

1-element Array{PyCall.PyObject,1}:
 PyObject <mpl_toolkits.mplot3d.art3d.Line3D object at 0x7fa10d005f28>

and that was it (no plot window popped up). I should clarify, and say that before I ran the script I, of course, installed the ODE and PyPlot Julia modules (otherwise I would have received an error in the aforementioned Julia command-line output). On other distros (Arch and Fedora 29 for starters) a window pops up after the Lorenz.jl script, at the same time as that output comes out at the command-line. Now before you point out the obvious and say I'm missing python3-matplotlib, I'm not, I have it installed (which I largely installed because without it installing the PyPlot Julia module fails to build), I even tried installing plplot and python3-matplotlib-qt5, as I feared it might be needed.

Funny thing is I even tried out running xhost +, chrooting into my Arch install (with mount -t proc /proc /arch/proc, mount --rbind /dev ... and so forth done first), running:

Code:

export DISPLAY=":0"
julia

, then in Julia running this same script and even from this chroot Arch managed to launch the Matplotlib window.

Does anyone have any idea how I might fix this error?

Thanks for your time,
Brenton

TUMBLEWEED Display manager

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The new 4.19 kernel does not work the message is "failed to star x display manager"

LEAP 15 Locked out of YAST??

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Very odd - I went to install kdiff and YAST won't acknowledge - I type in my password in the KDE window and the window freezes... nothing. Can't obtain root for konsole super-user-mode either. Everything else seems to be operational. If I start konsole and issue su command, it accepts the correct password. I had just done a packagekit update of MPlayer. Help?

TUMBLEWEED Freeze after update to Snapshot 20181112 / Radeon Vega and amdgpu on Athlon 200GE

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Hi, I recently updated to the latest snapshot with Kernel 4.19 as mentioned above- unfortunately the system is now unbootable and stucks on start - No Graphics output at all.

While updating, I noticed some messages concerning the amdgpu driver firmware for Radeon Vega Graphics - I have an AMD Athlon 200GE with built in Radeon Vega GPU on a B350 Chipset.

My Guess there is an issue with this driver (?)

The Snapshot before with Kernel 4.18 runs perfectly .

Any help or suggestions will be appreciated.

Kind Regards, Thomas

TUMBLEWEED Kernel 4.19.1 won't boot (black screen)

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https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1116106

I'm running into a major issue, which seems to have been introduced with Kernel 4.19.1 which is now available in the latest openSUSE Tumbleweed snapshot.

My machine refuses to boot with this kernel. It remains stuck at a black screen right after issuing the boot command in grub2. The HDD led flashes a few times shortly after grub2 disappears, but after that it will stay off and nothing new happens. I cannot use "control + alt + fN" to switch to a different runlevel either, however I'm still able to toggle the NumLock / CapsLock leds which means the system isn't freezing up entirely. The computer won't respond to the power button and has to be restarted via the reset button. I'm also noticing a longer delay after the "initializing ramdisks" message, before the boot loader disappears and I'm supposed to see either the console or splash screen.

I've already discovered an important clue: Although the delay persists and I never see a console or splash screen during the boot process (just a black screen), Kernel 4.19.1 appears to boot successfully if I'm using the 'radeon' and not 'amdgpu' driver. I was able to load it once after removing the following parameters from my Kernel command line, which I default to in order to run my GCN 2.0 card on the most modern driver (Radeon R9 390 8GB):

Code:

radeon.si_support=0 radeon.cik_support=0 amdgpu.si_support=1 amdgpu.cik_support=1

TUMBLEWEED fs driver F2FS was dropped from 4.19.1

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Was there a technical reason? Intentional? It worked in 4.18.15, but it's clearly been omitted from /boot/config-4.19.1-* file now.
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